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okay you don't have to respond back or anything. But I was scrolling your thoughts about mulan and i noticed that in one of your post you implied Disney had changed the story of mulan to be about gender roles and not filial piety and nationhood. I disagree. Maybe its been a while since you've seen it but its shown in the beginning she stole her fathers armor and took his place to save him not to prove a point. the message about gender roles imo was unavoidable. The audience needed to know (cont)

she was a clutz in the beginning in order to show her growth by the end. The audience needed to know that her competence and confidence in herself was hard won.

ok

we didn’t say the themes of filial piety and nation were not present in the disney film, like clearly a film about a daughter taking her father’s place to fight in a war is obviously going to be about these things. but what disney did, and is quite famous for doing, is took the source material and adapted it to have a moral that is ultimately quite different than the original intended moral. they notably did this with classic fairytales like the little mermaid: yes, the original had a romance element in it, but was primarily about her quest to become human so that she would have a soul, and finding true love was merely a means to get to that point. when disney adapted it, they threw out the major plot point about humans having a soul and mermaids not, and focused primarily on the romance being her driving motivation.

with mulan, they kept the filial piety but turned it into a vehicle to drive home the “girl power” theme. this is seen over and over again when the other soldiers talk about women and what they expect of women: you have lines like “did they send me daughters / when i asked for sons,” and there’s a whole fucking song all about the kind of women the soldiers all prefer. then you get to the scene where she is discovered as a woman and is sentenced to death, which absolutely was invented by disney and is not a plot point in the original ballad, where they basically don’t give a shit that she’s a woman. instead, she is celebrated and offered an official post but turns it down so that she can return to her family.

this is what we’re talking about when we say disney turned the film into a primarily feminist story instead of a tale that is primarily about filial piety.

-e

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Uh… actually no.

In the ballad, her identity as a woman is never revealed to the emperor.

The consequences of that would be the crime of 欺君 (dishonesty towards the emperor, treated as treason, punishable by beheading) But Disney did attempt to showcase it. (and it wasn’t written in the poem because that’s common knowledge in china. 欺君=诛九族 <—death to nine branches of one’s family)

In the poem, the emperor never finds out that she’s a girl. He asked what she wanted, and she asked to go home. Even if she wanted to become a government official like he offered, she can’t accept because if her cover is blown, it’s punishable by death.

It’s when she got home that she changed back into her girl clothes and came out to see her army friends. Presumably, they wouldn’t betray her and go tell the emperor.

Also, here’s another version of the tale:

《河南通志》

木兰,宋州人,姓魏氏。恭帝时发兵御戎,木兰有智勇,代父出征,有功而还。朝廷知其为女子,欲纳入宫、木兰不敢从,遂自尽。唐封为“孝烈将军”,乡人为之立庙。

Mulan, Song Zhou person, named Wei. Emperor Gong sent armies to defend against invasion, Mulan was wise and courageous and substituted for her father, came back with honors. The government learned that she is a woman and wanted her to marry into the royal palace, Mulan refused and thus committed suicide (because if she refuse then her and nine branches of her family would be beheaded/诛九族). During the Tang Dynasty, she was given the title “General of martyrdom and filial piety”, the villagers built this temple to honor her. 

thisisnotchina

so did you really need to post this to /r/tumblrinaction, which is actually set up to harass “sjw” blogs like thisisnotjapan, when you had already reblogged it to correct me? like was your correction not enough? you had to go out and show this post to a group of literal racists/sexists who get off on harassing POC and women on tumblr? fuck off and pls unfollow.

-e

mingsonjia

Here’re some of my opinions.

Mulan’s story is mainly about filial piety and loyalty to serve the country.  The original poem didn’t say they only ask for men. It says her father’s name was on the list.  The poem has several sentences describing how Mulan getting prepared to join the army and saying goodbye to her family. She didn’t steal anything (I’m sorry if it’s not that dramatic as you think).

About why others automatically think Mulan was a guy?  If you follow where the author try to lead you to, this is where he explained why the other soldiers are surprised:

“雄兔脚扑朔,雌兔眼迷离;双兔傍地走,安能辨我是雄雌?” It means when you grab a rabbit on its ears and pull it up, the male rabbit often moves its legs. The female rabbit often squints its eyes. When male and female rabbits run together, no one could tell what gender they are.

It’s a close metaphor to say “when men and women fight on the battlefield together,  you can’t tell who is man, who is woman”.  The author didn’t say “You will think the female rabbit is actually male”. 

By reading the whole poem, there’s no sign implies the author thinks a woman fighting in a war is so unusual.  Just like no one thinks female rabbits can’t run. Actually there’re a lot of famous Chinese heroines throughout the history:

妇好(Shang Dynasty)    迟昭平 (Han Dynasty)  梁红玉 (Song dynasty)   穆桂英(Song dynasty, from the famous General Yang’s  with 12 female generals)  also  秦良玉,樊梨花,折太君so many others even a princess平阳. In Chinese operas, female warrior roles has two fixed categories Daoma Dan and Wu Dan. 

What makes Mulan’s story special is on the “filial piety” part which other Heroine stories didn’t focus on.     Mulan didn’t want to become a general, because different people have different goals for life. Mulan went for the family and back for the family which is a highlight for her filial piety at the end. 

《河南通志》 was completed in Ming dynasty with editing supervisors. There’re lots of later versions about Mulan and they all have different family names for Mulan. Only the poem is the earliest, original,  most influential and widely accepted.   I know lots of people feel connections with the disney character Mulan. I love her too. But I only consider her as another portrait of Mulan like the one in 《河南通志》.  

Feels About Western Portrayals of Mulan Post-Disney
lovesansa

So I really enjoyed the Disney movie, don’t get me wrong. I loved the songs and how bizarrely sexy Chang’s pixels were, and everything. But I hate what it did to the story of Mulan and how it is now viewed in the Western imagination (triggered by seeing a tumblr photo showing that Mulan was included in OUAT).

Mulan is not a fairy tale.

I repeat.

The story of Hua Mulan, a female war-hero, is NOT a fairy tale.

Unlike Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty and Belle, Mulan is a woman who actually existed and lived her story (not the Disney version). Hua Mulan is a young woman who lived in China during the Wei dynasty. This was a period of relative unrest and the bordering tribes of Loulan were again raiding the borders of China and massing for an invasion. In response, the emperor issued a draft, requiring one male from each family to report for military service. Unlike the popular Western characterization, Mulan was not a tomboy, but an extremely filial daughter. In fact, the traditional Chinese depiction of her (out of armor) is one of a young woman weaving before a window and sighing out of worry for her father. Because Mulan’s father was advanced in years and her brother was still a child, Mulan decides to take her father’s place in the draft. 

Mulan spends over a decade fighting to protect her country along the borders of China. When she returns as a victorious soldier, the emperor is so moved by her filial piety and her patriotism that he pardons her crime of “deceiving the emperor” (the most severe crime possible in ancient China - since the emperor asked for men to serve in the army and Mulan pretends to be a man, she is guilty of this crime, which is punishable by the execution of nine generations). Mulan refuses the emperor’s offer of a position as a court official (women serving as court officials was not completely unheard of in ancient China, contrary to popular belief), and instead asks that the emperor provide her with a strong horse to bring her home, so she can care for her aging parents. 

The story of Mulan is so enduring and beloved in Chinese culture because it is a story of the two most important values in Chinese culture: “忠”/”patriotic loyalty” and “孝”/”filial piety” (I could ramble on about the significance of how these two kanji are constructed, but I won’t~) There is, in fact, no “I” or “me” or “want” in the story of Mulan - “Reflections,” a beautiful song, is a gross misinterpretation of what the story is about - it is a story about “family” and “duty” and “must.” The traditional story of Mulan tells us that soldiers do notwant to go to war, but that, when the country has need, they must go to war. Mulan, like every other soldier she fights alongside, goes to war to serve her nation and protect her family - not because she was “nonconformist” or looking for an opportunity for self-discovery/adventure. 

So my issue with Mulan being relegated to a Disney “princess” in Western media is two-fold: Mulan is a very real, historical heroine unlike the other “princesses” (except Pocahontas) and Mulan’s story is not a story about a woman (like Snow White or Cinderella), but the story of a nation and the soldiers who give up everything to serve it. When we write or think about Mulan, we should be writing and thinking about her in the context of George Washington or Lafayette, historical symbols of patriotism, rather than in the context of Cinderella or Rapunzel or “Once upon a time, in a kingdom far far away …”

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(Aside: Mulan’s also hardly the only woman to be celebrated for taking up arms to defend her nation. There is the equally celebrated story of the Yang family’s wives who were martially trained continued to fight to repel the invasion even after all of their husbands had fallen in battle. Princess Pingyang who not only led an army to her husband’s defense, but also mustered the entire army she led. In fact, Mulan has so many historical compatriots in Chinese history that there is even a title for these women: 巾帼英雄)

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